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Yo La Tengo on “Sugarcube” and dealing with Bob Odenkirk: “He is a genius”


Initially revealed in Uncut’s July 2022 problem

“I feel it was proven on MTV as soon as, possibly twice,” says bassist James McNew, remembering “Sugarcube”’s video. “So far as I do know, that’s it. That’s all.”

Within the 25 years since, nonetheless, the promo has racked up tens of millions of views on YouTube, little doubt helped by the presence of its stars David Cross and Bob Odenkirk, the latter now higher generally known as lawyer Saul Goodman in Breaking Dangerous and Higher Name Saul. He has, it seems, been a Yo La Tengo fan because the early ’90s.

“We had been all followers of Bob’s from The Larry Sanders Present,” explains Ira Kaplan. “Then Georgia and I had been on trip out in LA and we noticed that Bob was doing stand-up at a bookstore, so we went out to see the present. Afterwards he was simply looking the file part, and it was sort of out-of-character for us to do that, however we launched ourselves. It turned out he knew our band.”

There’s extra to “Sugarcube” than its video, after all. For the reason that mid-’80s, the Hoboken-based group had been charting a novel path, mastering the acoustic hush of 1990’s Fakebook as adeptly as they did the brutal fuzz exercises of ’92’s Might I Sing With Me. On their eclectic eighth album, 1997’s I Can Hear The Coronary heart Beating As One – now celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary with a digital and vinyl reissue – they perfected this sonic tightrope stroll. “Sugarcube”, a spotlight of its 16 tracks, is a propulsive, droning delight, Hubley’s drumming and McNew’s uncommon organ bass driving Kaplan’s freeform guitar wrangling and their surprisingly light harmonies.

“It feels actually pure to play “Sugarcube” or to play [quiet instrumental] “Inexperienced Arrow”,” says McNew. “Loud music is us and quiet music is us, atmospheric music is us and straight-ahead music is us. We had been extra snug with that concept than different folks had been, it appears.”

Recording passed off in Nashville’s Home Of David, a studio transformed for Elvis Presley, with the classes – considerably usually for Yo La Tengo – environment friendly and exploratory on the identical time. “We’d recorded earlier than at Alex The Nice in Nashville,” recollects Hubley, “which is a way more bohemian studio, with lots of character. However Home Of David was on an actual avenue, with lots of music business stuff on that highway, you realize, publishing firms and different recording studios.”

“There have been these huge magnolia timber within the entrance yard,” says producer Roger Moutenot, summing up their quest for experimental spontaneity. “One time we went on the market and the crickets had been simply loopy, so I ran in, arrange two microphones on the entrance porch, and we recorded these crickets for “Inexperienced Arrow”. At one second, this one cricket simply stepped ahead and virtually took a solo. We had been all simply cracking up! It was lovely. However that was the enjoyable factor about Yo La Tengo – there was nothing too off-the-wall, no boundaries. This was a really free and expressive file to make.”

GEORGIA HUBLEY (drums, vocals): I bear in mind we had been fairly excited concerning the issues we had been arising with for I Can Hear The Coronary heart Beating As One. We had a fairly crappy rehearsal room in Hoboken, nevertheless it was nice, we had been capable of have all our stuff arrange, and we’d simply maintain making an attempt various things.

IRA KAPLAN (guitar, vocals): After we bought to the purpose the place we didn’t need to do anything however be a band, it was nice as a result of we might practise through the day. After we had night-time practices, it will be sort of cacophonous with different bands enjoying concurrently. However by the point of I Can Hear The Coronary heart Beating As One, we had been capable of work just about each weekday afternoon.

JAMES McNEW (organ, percussion): The area has since been demolished and became luxurious condominiums, as has most of Hoboken, really. However yeah, we might simply play with no actual vacation spot in thoughts, and provide you with jams and concepts that had been enjoyable to play and that appeared fascinating.

KAPLAN: Our rehearsal room was situated subsequent door to a woodworking place, and sooner or later as we had been strolling to follow we noticed Teller from Penn & Teller on the road. It turned out they had been having some stuff fabricated for them on the store. Sooner or later we got here out of rehearsal and Teller was there, after which we noticed blood flying out of his hand. Apparently he was testing some blood-spurting machine.

HUBLEY: “Autumn Sweater”, as an example, was began on guitar, after which it simply moved over to organ, however that was fairly indicative of lots of the writing. “Sugarcube” doesn’t have bass guitar, it’s simply James enjoying bass on our Acetone, our beloved, trashy Italian organ, which could be very bassy-sounding.

McNEW: I don’t even know the place we bought the Acetone. It was simply in our follow area. We seen that no-one was ever utilizing it – there was mud on it. So we determined to pay some consideration to it, and it turned out to be so nice that we might all take turns enjoying it on completely different songs. I favored the thought of organ appearing as bass – you realize, it had lots of good precedents in Suicide or Snapper, issues like that. It was a sound that I actually like.

KAPLAN: Electr-O-Pura had been the primary file that we’d made completely with Roger. We went to Nashville to make that.

ROGER MOUTENOT (producer): We made a deal the place they’d come down right here to file, after which I’d go as much as New York to combine. That was the association.

KAPLAN: Going again to Nashville for I Can Hear The Coronary heart…, I feel all of us felt fairly snug, and excited concerning the songs we had. There have been undoubtedly songs the place we actually didn’t know the way they went, we had been sort of permitting the method of recording to present us the possibility to complete and alter songs as freely as we wished.

MOUTENOT: Home Of David was a bizarre selection for a studio, however I had labored there, and I actually, actually favored the console. So I believed, ‘Oh, this will likely be good for this venture.’ It had this distinctive vibe: Elvis was going to work there, and so they constructed this complete entranceway off the storage, so he wouldn’t need to stroll exterior the constructing. There was really a trapdoor that went into the storage, and that was for Elvis.

HUBLEY: I maintain making an attempt to visualise the place – I can see the room the place we arrange, after which there was somewhat downstairs space the place we had a TV and we’d watch reruns or no matter, when there was nothing for us to do, in the event that they had been engaged on machines that wanted to be repaired or something like that.

McNEW: That they had cable TV, which was an awesome novelty again then. It was a pleasant place, a terrific [live] room, and the management room was very nice to make use of.

MOUTENOT: Most tracks had been recorded reside, as reside as we might get. Generally we did vocals too, however I feel for “Sugarcube” we simply reduce the essential tracks. For probably the most half, the Yo La Tengo stuff I labored on was at all times reside to start out with, simply to get that band factor. There have been a few songs on I Can Hear The Coronary heart… that had been constructed up, although, like “Moby Octopad”, which began with drums after which bass, and issues like Ira’s piano had been overdubbed later.

KAPLAN: I bear in mind us arising with the little ending for “Sugarcube”. It’s historic instances, so it was recorded on tape, and if you completed you’d rewind the tape machine. In the event you didn’t flip down the faders you’d hear the sound of the tape going backwards, performed actually quick. It sounded nice, so we recorded that and caught it on the top.

HUBLEY: The intro with the drum fill, I actually can not bear in mind how that took place: it needs to be some type of bizarre accident that we determined to maintain. I want I remembered, as a result of it’s so bizarre and random. I do bear in mind pondering, ‘That’s horrible sounding’ however all people else was like, “No, that’s nice!” It sort of works.

MOUTENOT: That was a particular fill! It might have been that Georgia did the fill and I used to be like, “Oh my God, that’s so nice, let’s use that take.” However you realize, I did reduce between some takes now and again – I did a little bit of enhancing on that file because it was recorded on tape. I can’t say, nevertheless it might need been that.

McNEW: I bear in mind Roger deciding that he wanted to do some chopping on tape, and it was as if he was about to defuse a bomb. He ordered everybody out of the management room, so it was simply him and whoever the assistant from the studio was. He advised us all to simply go get lunch, simply get out of there whereas he did this extraordinarily life-or-death manoeuvre on the tape. It was a thriller to me! I simply knew that he was doing one thing crucial, and I wished to present him his area. Although I feel that drum fill was really part of the association. I don’t recall the way it started, the place it originated from, however I feel it was at all times a part of the start of the track, unusually sufficient.

MOUTENOT: That’s what I really like about this explicit file, I Can Hear The Coronary heart…, it’s up, it’s down, it’s rocking, it’s mushy, it’s bought lots of completely different textures and emotions. Like, “Harm” is one among my favourites, it simply places me in a dream world each time. While you make a file that approach, if you open the can of worms like that and say ‘something goes’, you may go down the rabbit gap and actually get screwed up. However for some cause, with these guys, all of it labored as a result of we at all times would go someplace however pull it again in to be what the band wished. It was tremendous enjoyable.

KAPLAN: Other than being in it, we had little or no to do with the video after arising with the idea – the plot of doing this awful video and aggravating the file firm, after which them sending us to rock college; after which we do the very same video as rock college graduates, the identical as they one they hated, however this time they find it irresistible. That was what we offered to our pal Phil Morrison, who had directed the “Tom Courtenay” video and a few others that we did. Then Phil took that idea and him and his writing accomplice Joe Ventura got here up with the script for the video.

HUBLEY: We knew the storyline, such because it was, however lots of it’s improvised – definitely, Bob and David do lots of improvising. We flew out to California simply to do the video. I feel it was possibly a two-day shoot in a wide range of places, however principally at a highschool or faculty in Santa Monica. It was shot at a weekend in the summertime, so it was pretty empty and simple to movie there.

McNEW: It simply appeared like a bizarre dream that it was really occurring – it nonetheless looks as if a bizarre dream that it did occur. I imply, I bear in mind simply how deeply dedicated to the thought Bob and David had been. They actually delivered and gave a lot greater than you’ll ever even have probably imagined that they might give to such a such a ridiculous concept. That’s simply sort of inspiring, and it reveals how gifted each of these guys are.

KAPLAN: It was actually enjoyable. I want the shoot had been longer. The one half I bear in mind being gruelling in any respect was filming the scene the place we’re getting yelled at by John Ennis, with Bob and David enjoying the file firm flunkies. We had been filming in an precise workplace, and since there was dialogue there was no approach you may have AC on. Perhaps as a result of it was the weekend the air con was off anyway? However it was actually sizzling in there. That’s the closest I can come to a criticism, as a result of it was hilarious. All these takes stored being ruined, as a result of both John was laughing or we had been laughing.

McNEW: Conserving a straight face was a fairly sizable problem. That scene within the boardroom the place John Ennis is screaming at us, it was unimaginable to attempt to act our approach by way of that. It’s very unusual and superb to see Bob [so famous] now, on tv, in theatres. After all, I’m not stunned, as a result of I felt that he ought to have been there all alongside. I feel that he’s a genius, as is David. However it’s unusual when universes collide abruptly. I do know that I’ve esoteric tastes, and after they cross over into the mainstream, it’s surreal to suppose that, ‘Oh, all people likes Bob. That’s nice. That’s unbelievable.’

I Can Hear The Coronary heart Beating As One is being reissued each digitally (out now) and on colored vinyl (out now within the US & Canada, and August 12 elsewhere) for its twenty fifth anniversary, through Matador

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FACTFILE

Written by: Ira Kaplan, Georgia Hubley, James McNew
Personnel: Ira Kaplan (guitar, vocals), Georgia Hubley (drums, vocals), James McNew (organ, percussion)
Produced by: Roger Moutenot
Recorded at: Home Of David, Nashville, TN
Launched: April 22, 1997 [album], August 4, 1997 [single]
Chart peak: UK -; US –

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TIMELINE

February 28, 1992
Yo La Tengo launch Might I Sing With Me, their fifth album however first with bassist James McNew

Might 2, 1995
Electr-O-Pura marks the band’s first time recording in Nashville completely with producer Roger Moutenot

April 22, 1997
I Can Hear The Coronary heart Beating As One is launched – although it has stiff competitors, it stays maybe Yo La Tengo’s best LP

August 4, 1997
“Sugarcube” is launched as a single, backed on 7” by B-side “Busy With My Ideas”, and on CD by “The Summer season” and a 14-minute tackle Eddie Cantor’s Looney Toons theme, “Merrily We Roll Alongside”



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